I hope some of you speak english, but the way I know japanese people, I have no doubt you do.
I am here today to ask you, 2ch dwellers,
to help me find informations about the crumbling power plant that is Fukushima Daiichi
and the unrest caused by some officials and their unrealistic announcements. I seek truth.
And I know for sure this place is where I can find unhindered people.
Here is what I research : I'd like english-speaking japanese people
who can provide me information on the real situation.
If you live in the area, if you know english-speaking people who do or if you have
some fresh information that can not be seen on medias, or simply update about "What's happening",
I would be immensely grateful to have those informations. Even better if you're working there.
I'll leave a mail address here. (below)
Anything you'll send will be redirected to my mailbox. I'll answer to anything sent to me
(except stupid things of course).
in the contaminated area, and that one of the competitors died there
of "heat stroke" while the temperature was at 20° (68F)?
Who can deny radiactive particles reached the time change line, 4000km (2485 miles) away from coasts?
This story is too much. I am not japanese, and I know how much you people
trust and rely on your government, and I have read that some guy suicided, because he felt deceived.
I don't know how much media coverage there is in Japan, but in a lot others countries,
very few people talk about it. It was "trendy" some time ago, but now medias decided
it was old story and got back to american singers or the last ual parties of some important politician.
And I want to get the story back on the scene.
The "people need help" is a part of this, but the fact that it's probably
one of the worst nuclear disasters that happened, and it's going worse, and very few care about,
except those who are eating contamined food daily, or working to limit the danger while taking excessive doses of radiations,
that must not be tolerated.
I am not a journalist, or reporter for any media (or mass media...). I don't work for anyone except me.
This doesn't means I'll keep the info for myself, only that I do that along with my own research on the subject,
to inform about that in places it's just a "foreign story". I'm not alone in this research.
Please help me in this.
dk1323529079pgy@easytrashmail.com
(temporary mail address, will work 2 weeks, I'll use my regular address to speak to those who send me something)
Please include 2ch, 2chan, Japan, Fukushima in the "object" field so I can sort mails faster.
It will go worse, or not. But it WILL be worse if people don't know or don't care. The informations must get outside japanese borders.
(The pic might not be accurate but it's not out of topic)
tl;dr :
No time to read? Short version : You have infos on the Fukushima disaster
or you live there (or know people who do)?
Then send me a mail on the adress above with "2ch"
in subject field. I seek to inform people outside of Japan.
I don't work for any medias/mass medias.
Answering in this thread is welcomed, asking questions, discuss or anything,
but in english. I know I'm in the right place but I can't read japanese (I know, that's a shame)
I deeply hope I can count on you, thanks in advance.
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But well, I would be stupid to post this in french here^^
I speak spanish too. And I know latin (kinda useless).
I understand a little when japanese tongue, but can't read at all.
Please read "I understand a little when japanese speak"
or "I understand a little the japanese tongue"
I'm glad to meet you.
はじめましてSeeker
フランス語だと書き込めないんですね
フランス語が堪能な人が
フレンチ書き込めるんだ
後は任せまふ
>>12 Tu es un autre français ou un japonais qui parle français?
And I think I'll stick to japanese, I guess most of the people here
speak more english than french...isn't it?
寝ます!
(Aren't all those "sage" meant to drown the thread?
Or is that something else here?)
It's good to have you here.
Unfortunately, very few Japanese people understand English very well.
I hope you can find the right people who can provide you real information.
If that's the reason of the sages, please indicate me
a more appropriate place...
Pour moi, le francais est plus familier...
Mais tu as raison, most of people here ne comprendraient pas.
are regarded as "chicken" or "neurosis" or "bad person".
Japanese government and TV media don't inform people truth and danger,
and they recommend people to eat heavily contaminated foods by radioactivity.
TV media usually says "Let's support Fukushima by eating fukushima's farm products".
Unbelievable! Really crazy thing. We have only despair.
We'd like to know what is actually happening
in Fukushima, by foreign media.
Could you tell us, what is reported about Fukushima atomic crisis by French press.
We wanna really know how dangerous thing is happening around us.
A mon avis, this board n'est pas the wrong board,
parce qu'ici on parle du sujet sur Fukusima serieusement.
Mais peu de gens peuvent comprendre l'anglais.
pour toi c'est tres difficile de trouver des informations, je pense.
You are on right place, and this board may suit for your request, I guess.
People who write on this board much concern about earthquake and radioactive disaster and they are minority in Japan.
Not a few person has good information, I hope they give you good information.
Any word other than sage, a thread appears at the top of the board.
Doing that is totally one's preference and doesn't mean anything else.
There is no problem to ask for radiation-related information here.
They are crazy
Japanese government and TV media don't inform atomic crisis
We are only slavlor
Japanese police attacked for me & many people
Oh! my godness!
I think if the pool collapse by next large earthquake,
enormous radioactivity are released and lots of people die immediately.
I'd like to know how world's media are informing about the pool and its danger.
French press? Well, they mostly relate about European problems.
The recent news speak about how the happenings may lead to fire
employees in european nuclear companies.
Also, seems the director of the power plant has cancer now.
There are updates about new contamined water leaking from the central in Fukushima,
and about another japanese nuclear power plant having problems (leaks, higher rates registered...).
Seems only 9 on 54 power plants in Japan
are still in activity since all of this started.
Also, all the news I wrote in the long text above, but you surely know that already.
There are big doubts about the tsunami. More and more people think it was
a crumbling facility and the earthquake only aggravated the already existing damages.
Some time before the first explosions, a part of the systems in the power plant was hacked,
(or in a really bad condition) but the origin of that is unknown.
And yes, the "Let's support Fukushima by eating fukushima's farm products", and
the way people are seen as chicken is what interests me. If you want, send a
mail, we can keep talking after, I'm looking for inside view of all this story.
au revoir, j'ai sommeil. Bonne chance.
Now, 500 Bq/kg vegetable, meat, milk, fish, mushroom and rice are distributed.
Crazy things!
Government, producers, consumers are all crazy.
Who afraid of food radioactive contamination are really minority.
Seems people are trying to fix that but because government is like
"A leak? Ah well, put some glue, should be okay", nothing will get fixed.
The worst is to know that people out there are doing everything they can with the
resources they have, but officials don't take this seriously (or are blinded)
and send reinforcements or material like if it was a minor incident...
officially visiting the Fukushima area.
An official drank water from the area to prove it was harmless, in front
of journalists. Well, in the video the man was shaking while taking the
glass to his lips...
つまりフランスにいる日本人が情報集めたいので協力してくれって事 かもw
Thx. Exactly.
I think contamined water leak is also serious problem.
It is sure to pollute the Pacific Ocean.
And it means that it becoming more difficult to cool melted fuel continuously.
Us and EU have to protest to Japanese government strongly about this problem, i think.
Could you say this in english please? I understood >>34 spoke about france but after that...
(Or someone kind enough to translate this to english..)
Yes.
Almost the facts.
それなら日本人が日本語で書き込むのでは？
なんか障害があるのか、よくわからないけど。
Seekerさんが、なんで詳しく知りたがってるのか知りたいけど、
諸外国に広めたいらしいから、真相を知りたい好奇心と正義感からかな？
挨拶(textboardの人々)!
私は、あなたのうちの数人がenglishを話すことを望みます、しかしjapanese人々を知っている方法、私は、あなたが行う疑問を抱きません。
私はあなたに尋ねるために今日ここにいます、2ch居住者、私が福島ダイイチである砕ける発電所、および何人かの職員およびそれらの非現実的な発表によって引き起こされた不安に関する情報を見つけるのを助けるために
私は真実を求めます。
また、私は確かにこの場所を知っています、私が妨害されていない人々を見つけることができる場所です。
ここに、私が研究するものがあります:
私は、私に現実の状況についての情報を供給することができるenglishを話すjapanese人々が欲しい。
そのエリアに住んでいる場合、englishを話す人々を知っている、行う、あるいは、mediasの上で見ることができないある新鮮な情報を持っている場合、あるいは単に「起こっていること」に関する最新版、私は莫大にいるだろう、それらの情報を持つのに感謝する
そこで働いていれば、さらによい。
私はここでメールアドレスを去りましょう。
(以下に)
送るものはすべて私のメールボックスに転送されるでしょう。
私は、私(コースの愚かなもの以外の)のもとへ送られたものすべてに一致しましょう。
ワタシは貴方方の知らない情報を持っている
それを教えたい
>>1にあるアドレスにメールしてくれ
だとｗ
すんごく2ちゃんに慣れてるのは何故ｗｗｗ
>>34 says "Seeker may be Japanese and need aid to gather information"
Here in France for instance, they would never say the japanese government
is not acting properly, because they fear it would make international
relationship hard.
You know, there was a despot in a country south of Europe, killed his people,
took all the riches for him and let everyone else in misery.
Well, our president never said anything against that, he even recieved him
in france and had friendly exchange with him. And now, there's been a revolution,
the despot has been killed, and the president says it's good that it happened.
Seriously politics, wtf?
日本人被這個無能的政府被大量虐殺。
到底可以從這個大量虐殺的悲劇逃跑的事嗎？
所說的做郵件的事在尋找相遇的場變態嗎？？
Thank you for your concern on us.
You must have been read through - this site covers many issues discussed about Fukushima nuke plant in 2ch.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/
One of the most active thread is 【原発】ｘｘｘｘ【放射能】 threads. means<nuke plant>thread number<radiation> - all Japanese though
Kind guys create wiki to summarize the threads.
http://www10.atwiki.jp/nuclear_radiation/
You can see past logs from this site.
http://shinsai2011.doorblog.jp/
I myself don't have a great secret -
Personally, I feel wary of Japanese government and mass media keep trying to make people believe that
accident had only happened in Fukushima so surrounded area (north and east Japan including Tokyo)
are not affected by accident.
I'm living in West Tokyo with my 2 yr old kid and wife.
On 3/15 Morning I have had many 2ch posts reported that extremely high radiation is marked in geiger
counters in Ibaragi. We shut all windows and stayed inside, praying that my son don't get too much radioactive
Iodine.
I'm trying to persuade my wife that we must move to overseas or west Japan - which doesn't work well.
Leaving where we live is not very easy - for many people.
it's everywhere the same problems. Few people at ease, lots of people struggling.
I have a hunger for truth and justice, and a lot of other people too.
French or not. But...our voices are weak against all those who don't care.
>>39 Oh my, thanks a lot for translating that!
>>42 "Translate the points" means translate what I said? I can't but it seems >>39 can do it.
is acting nonsense with that. That's sad, before that I had a high
opinion about japanese administration and all, but...now, they're doing
all wrong.
Politicians, bureaucrats, major companies, mass media, scholars, and administration of justice
construct, and they are deluding Japanese people.
Japanese people is the degree of people below developing countries.
Please think such thing and see Japan after the nuclear power plant disaster.
無能心情被打亂的日本政府殺死日本人。
絕對不日本的國民正確的事。
這個國家明年也急急忙忙崩潰。
>>47
最後的部分是惡作劇。
對不起。
Hold on, staying or leaving is a hard decision, but if things continue
like that, there will be no other choice than getting away...and that
must not happen.
are really hostile to 2ch dwellers.
Japanese atomic mafia sometimes do illegal things, i think.
So, we don't like E-mail because we can't show who we are.
おまえ猜疑心ありすぎワラタ
I am really glad that foreign people concern about this.
Not a few Japanese worry about this crazy situation
and they want to change the situation.
But We really do not know appropriate action, ideas, solutions.
In fact, some people did demonstrations, some write serious
situation around them on internet, and others know them and are
influenced and do another action.
But government, tepco, bureaucracy, mass-media hide the truth
and throw away their responsibility.
Not a few people are deceived or have no good choice.
(for example, food contamination)
I hope people around the world know this crazy situation
and give some pressure to all Japanese.
We Japanese really have to be awakened!
it launches the mail to another box. And this other mailbox is created only
for here, no informations in it, no other mails, nothing personnal.
Wasn't going to use my name mail for that anyways.
which written by Japanese who living in Japan.
though 2ch doesn't have good quality of information (too much scribbles and hate posts)
there should be some value in unedited raw voice, especially Japanese government and
mass media (which heavily sponsored by TEPCO) running big campaign of media control.
原発情報に関しては日本語だと結構質のいいサイトや情報源がたくさんあるけれど、
日本に生活している日本人が英語で発信しているサイトはあまり多くないように思える。
にちゃんは情報の質ははひどいが(嵐が多すぎる)、編集されていないリアルタイムの情報には
価値があるかもしれない。特に政府、マスメディア(とそのバックにいる東電)が大規模な情報操作を
行っているときにはね。
･･･おっと誰かが来たようだ。
おれらの めあどを ききだすために ふらんすにいる けい○んから しゅっこうした
じぇ○ろの にほんじんが かいてるかも しれないだろ？
How could the French Revolution be started when doing?
I think that a people's revolution is the required for present Japan.
I am who I am, and I can't let such things happen. I can't let people think
"It's just some country far away". We do what we can to inform people about this,
and we're not going to stop until the situation is good. And there's still
a lot of work to do for that.
(I say "we" because I'm not alone trying to support, I share my informations with
other people interested by this, but I'm not part of an organization as I said, I do this alone.)
人類みな兄弟やん。
このようわからんフランス人のことを信用しようや。
わざわざ めえるを おくれと いうのが すこし ひっかかるよ
昔の2ちゃんはこんな感じでわざと全員釣られるというユーモアに溢れる奴が多かった
それを思い出すよｗ
governement anymore. The problem is, for you japanese people, that your
structure is old, very very old, getting the government out would mean
an aggression against the Emperor's place, and I think a lot of japanese
people wouldn't follow that.
But if there's any chance the corrupted and blind in the government go away,
the first need is to have the maximum of people angry about what's happening.
So, inform, share, people must know.
I don't think there will be a revolution, but a mass awakening would be great.
Please try to speak english or translate what you say, because I really can't
read what you say, and the online translators are really bad when it come
to japanese, I can only grasp few words but no overall meaning.
please ignore them.
Damn...
【1㎏あたりのベクレル数(Bq/kg)】
0.111 アメリカの法令基準
0.5 ドイツガス水道協会
10 WHO基準
10 日本の3月16日までの指標値
40 （１倍）法令で定める基準値 ヨウ素131
60 （１倍）法令で定める基準値 セシウム134
90 （１倍）法令で定める基準値 セシウム137
100 児の飲用に関する指標値 IAEA基準OIL5 WHO非常時基準
500 セシウム入り野菜の新基準 3/17
1,000 WHOたとえ緊急時でも食っちゃいけない値
2,000 ヨウ素入り野菜の新基準 3/17
3,000 IAEA基準 OIL6
4,080 北茨城市で水揚げされたコウナゴ 4/4
54,100 茨城の水洗いしたホウレン草 3/18
289,100 放水口の南330メートルの地点（4385倍ヨウ素＋セシウム＋バリウム＋ランタン合計） 3/30
430,000 1号機の地下水(1万倍ヨウ素) 3/31
5,190,000 福島飯舘村の水洗いしてない雑草 3/25
540,000,000 2号機取水口(750万倍ヨウ素131+200万倍セシウム134＋130万倍セシウム137) 4/2
3,839,730,000 1号機タービン建屋の溜まり水 3/25
3,900,000,000 3号機で作業員の足がつかった溜まり水 3/24
5,400,000,000 2号機ピット汚染水、取水口付近 (1.3億倍ヨウ素）4/2
11,660,000,000 2号機のトレンチ汚染水(ヨウ素＋セシウム+他) 3/31
20,440,000,000 2号機の溜り水（再測）
【汚泥に含まれる放射性物質の濃度】
単位はBq／kg
福島市 447,000
東京(3月) 170,000
東京(現在) 55,000
前橋市 42,800
宇都宮市 26,000
★2009年全国水準 65
大阪市 28
【参考：お茶の葉に含まれる放射性物質】
神奈川県荒茶 3000
静岡県緑茶（フランスで検出） 1038
静岡県本山茶 679、614、602
★暫定基準(日本) 500
愛知県新城市荒茶 360
☆WHO基準 10
奈良県内荒茶 6.9
島根県生茶 0.48 (荒茶に換算すると2.4)
I appreciate your advice.
However, you are doing big misunderstanding about the Japanese Emperor.
The Emperor is not responsible for this nuclear power plant disaster.
Most Japanese do not have an antipathy about the Emperor.
The Emperor is unrelated to substance top politics.
The Emperor, not to mention it, is also a victim.
His Majesty the Emperor is also forcibly taken to Fukushima, and was contaminated.
∧ ∧. ＿::::。・.ﾟﾊ,,ﾊ お断りします
/:彡ミ゛ヽ;）(m,_)‐-( ﾟωﾟ ) -､ *
/ :::/:: ヽ、ヽ、 ::iー-、 .i ﾟ +
/ :::/;;: ヽ ヽ ::ｌ ゝ ,n ＿i ｌ
￣￣￣（_,ノ ￣￣￣ヽ､_ノ￣￣E_ ）＿_ノ
scholars, and administration of justice is bad.
The Emperor is not bad.
【ガン発生率のグラフ】
http://www.jaea.go.jp/04/ztokai/katsudo/risk/risknavi/box/gan2.html
フォールアウト比較 セシウム137
広島の黒い雨 493 Bq/m2
核実験１年分（東京・1963年） 1935 Bq/m^2
核実験累計（東京・1957年-2009年） 7095 Bq/m^2
福島原発事故 （東京・3/18-3/31) 6542 Bq/m^2
福島原発事故 （ひたちなか・3/18-3/31) 26358 Bq/m^2
http://smc-japan.sakura.ne.jp/?p=1428
↑の核実験累計のスタート時とかなり近い時期から急上昇。累計分と同じ分が東京にすでに降っている。
Thanks to say what I'd like to say.
I wish our emperor live so long !
that is to be changed, even the "innocent" people.
I know the emperor is not responsible, and he's been sick but a massive opposition
against governement means an opposition against Akihito's rightful place.
They can not trust you, I guess.
In fact, sometime people who have malice appear on 2ch,
and they may come from "big brother" side.
Such a thing really happen on this.
Me and other people trust you.
>>58
You may be globalist and ecologist.
I hope you inform "truth" to your friends and people around you.
Thank you for your kindness.
フランス人から見たらこう見えるのか。
現実に政府が転覆したらその心配もしなきゃいかんのか。
important than interests of nations, yes. But individuality of each country is precious too.
Ecologist...I couldn't say. Ecologists in france are mocked, and with good reason :
most of them have unrealistic programs based on nothing.
But outside of that, I guess I can be seen as an ecologist, yes.
Our emperor is, so to speak, "Priest King".
He is the highest priest Shintoism.
What he have is not power but authority.
He is our of our government, and he is symbol of Japan.
Well, I don't really know how things work in Japan, but if it's really separated,
it's a good thing, that means a revolution is possible.
(The only reference I have to an emperor is kings of old times and stuff like that then...)
Japanese law strickly prohibits and denys the right of resistance as well as right of rebellion by Capital punishment.
Natural law is being denied and positive law is thought as almighty.
To tell the truth, I'm afraid that you are a Japanese government employee in France.
I love French people, and I hate and fear our government.
Now, in our country, people who fear radioactivity are actually enemy of government.
So I'm becoming nervous these days.
And that can't happen.
and I think this is the point Japanese do not want to do revolution,
even demonstration.
People are afraid of even "social death" such as being ignored from others
because of being arrested or so.
And we are not accustomed to appeal our write.
We may be too much adjusted to being tolerant, I guess.
if society collapse or society revolution will occur,
I guess, it occur silently.
Just like personal death or personal runaway.
it's 3 midnight and good night!
I'll be back! (^^;
Maybe you know Kibo? Some of my informations go to them from times to time.
>>82 Thanks for being here, good night!
And we are not accustomed to appeal our write.
↓
And we are not accustomed to appeal our right.
Please consider sending mails to the adress I gave,
dk1323529079pgy@easytrashmail.com
this is a secured mail, and even if I'll use some of the informations,
I won't reveal any mail, name, sources or anything like that (obviously)
Nothing tells you that I can be trusted, but I know who I am and what I fight for. Trust me.
Good night!
Good night see ya
a few days ago by his reprehensible behavior on twitter.
Hayakawa has been saying like "Don't cultivate crops in the Fukushima
contaminated area. If you do, you will poison consumers. You are like people
who tried to kill citizens with sarin."
This has been causing such a debate recently.
Yes i know , and you ?
He released its first version early time when every Local Government
hesitated to monitor and announce radiation level of areas.
Hayakawa has been bombarded with complaints by many local governments
after the release.
I think Gunma Univ warned him by the pressure of local governments of
contaminated areas.
He has a trauma: he couldn't save 43 people from the disaster
of Unzen eruption.
of course
I watched japanese origimal
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