Hey!!! All you NEETs, nerds, YouTube link spammers, pedophiles, neo-Nazis, Yukorin enthusiasts, Nanako SOS admirers, Part-Time-Preachers, Diplomats' spoiled sons, losers who can't remember Kanji characters, Big-boobs fans, Weeaboo from around the world, learners of Japanese who are too lazy to update their Japanese blogs very often, cunning linguists, stupid fan girls of Johnny's Boys, Touhou pirates, and that electrical super-gay who suffers from mental disease - This is your thread! Let's hope Igirisu-jin and the Internet-addicted housewife will come back soon! This is the place to have a blast!!!!! Let's continue to support recovery efforts in Japan!!!!!
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>>1 Thanks once again ! Probably, she would be also delight if she could find this new thread. Please don't ask me who she is!
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delight →delighted
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I have a question about number agreement. Are these correct? "Have you ever met an involved parent who want their student to be a begger?" "We never see a parent who force their children to be a ‘begger’." "What sort of parent do you think would want their children to be a begger?" One native speaker thinks those are not, for the following reason. >Unless the children merge and become one, it should be plural. >At least, I'm fairly certain.
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I like this virtual cesspool even though I live a decent life in real.
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I am surprised to find the thread continuing. I hope everyone will be delighted. Thank you >>1-san.
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>>I forbid you to put down the 2channers of this thread. They are very capable people who have had misfortune in their lives.
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>>4 That native speaker is correct. There are a couple of other mistakes as well, and 'beggar' is misspelled. The correct sentences would be: "Have you ever met an involved parent who wants their child to be a beggar?" "We never see a parent who forces their children to be beggars." "What sort of parent do you think would want their children to be beggars?" You could also write them like this: "Have you ever met involved parents who want their children to be beggars?" "We never see parents who force their children to be beggars." "What sort of parent do you think would want their child to be a begger?"
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Oops, I made the same spelling mistake! 'begger' in the very last sentence should be 'beggar'.
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>>4 number agreement? parent [ who want their student { to be a begger } ]?" We do see a parent [ who force their children { to be a ‘begger’} ]. Dirty parent will want their children [ to be a begger ] Every child is indivisual, [ never becoming one ]. Children are plural. I'm fairly certain, too.
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>>5 I may like this virtual cesspool, too. even though I naturally live a decent life in real, too.
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>>8-9 Thanks. What about tense agreement? Are you Japanese? Is this sentense correct too? "What sort of parents do you think want their children to be a beggar?"
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>>12 I'm Australian. The tense agreement in all these sentences is okay. >"What sort of parents do you think want their children to be a beggar?" That's incorrect, because 'children' is plural and 'a beggar' is singular. So it has to be 'beggars' instead of 'a beggar'.
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>>8-9 That's very very strange. Can you explain the below sentenses with your 'merge-don't-merge' hypothesis? Just because the student is an education major, does not mean they will be a teacher. Women can experience a hard time finding jobs. A child becomes an adult when they turn 18. Lithium and oxygen could not be Ryzed because of their low atomic number. (not "number's'")
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where do you live?
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>>11 You are so famous in 2ch. Therefore to me, you are a virtual person in the cesspool, not a real one.
>>13 What about 'would', huh? Are you still there, Mr. Australian?
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>>14 I'm not really sure what you mean by my 'merge-don't-merge' hypothesis, but I will try to explain anyway. >Just because the student is an education major, does not mean they will be a teacher. In this first sentence, 'the student', 'they' and 'a teacher' are all singular, which is correct. Note that 'they' is usually plural, but you can use it as a singular pronoun when you don't know someone's gender. Here 'the student' could be male or female, so we refer to the student as 'they'. But the word 'they' still acts like a plural when you're using it with a verb. (See the third sentence for an example.) >Women can experience a hard time finding jobs. 'Women' is plural, and obviously if we have more than one woman then we need to find more than one job, right? So 'jobs' is plural as well. This is correct. >A child becomes an adult when they turn 18. This is what I was talking about above, where 'they' is used in the singular, but still acts like a plural. The number agreement is correct; 'a child', 'an adult' and 'they' (in this context) are all singular. But look at the verb 'turn'. Normally, because we're using the third-person singular, it would be 'turns'. For example, "A girl becomes an adult when she turns 18." But 'they' counts as a plural, so you use 'turn'. This is correct. >Lithium and oxygen could not be Ryzed because of their low atomic number. I disagree with this one. It would be correct if lithium and oxygen had the same atomic number, but they do not (lithium is 3, oxygen is 8). I would definitely say, "their low atomic numbers" in this sentence. The rest of the sentence is correct.
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オーストラリアン… どうしてすぐバレる嘘をつくのかね
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>>18 Still here. What about would? If you want to put it into the sentence from >>13, that's simple: "What sort of parents do you think would want their children to be beggars?" I think it sounds better with 'would', but it's grammatically correct either way. The 'would' basically just shows that you're speaking hypothetically.
Spider monkeys have a very long tail. They use it as their fifth limbs.
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Women can experience A hard time
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Explain this. "They use IT as their fifth limbs. " " A hard time finding jobs. "
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ネイティヴでこんな言い方は不自然だね 言ってることもおかしい
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>>25 >"They use IT as their fifth limbs. " I don't think I would say that. It seems like it should be 'limb', not 'limbs'. "Spider monkeys have a long tail. They use it as their fifth limb." That sounds fine to me. "Spider monkeys have long tails. They use them as their fifth limbs." That's also correct. >"A hard time finding jobs." This one is definitely correct. But ... I don't know, it's hard to explain. I guess there's more than one 'hard time', but you would never use a plural there. Maybe because it's an idiomatic expression. But that doesn't seem like much of an answer, does it? >>26 もう2時だから勘弁してくれ。 I'm going to sleep now. Feel free to keep asking questions, and I'll try to come up with a better explanation tomorrow. But it's difficult, because I never really studied this stuff. It's my native language, so I sort of just know what sounds right. I've never tried to explain this before.
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do u mind my chatting with you? I am a beginner in English so my conversation will have lots of mistakes.
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>>27 >"Spider monkeys have a long tail. They use it as their fifth limb." That sounds fine to me. On account of your mighty theory, it should be like this. "A spider monkey has a long tail. It uses it as its fifth limb."
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>>27 Have you heard of チャド・マレーン (Chad Mullane), a comedian who is originally from Perth, Australia and now lives in Japan. He belongs to Yoshimoto creative agency, Japan's one of the most famous comedy talent agency. He can speak Osaka dialect. Osaka is a mecca of Japan's comedy as you may know.
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>>28 You can post here whatever you want even if it includes lots of grammar and spelling mistakes.
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>>29 I don't remember propounding any 'mighty theory'. But anyway... >"A spider monkey has a long tail. It uses it as its fifth limb." You could say that. It's grammatically correct. When you're talking about something in a general sense like this, it is common to use the singular, even though you are not talking about an individual spider monkey. This is like one of the sentences from >>14, 'A child becomes an adult when they turn 18.' Obviously it's not talking about one particular child, but about all children. Similarly, 'a spider monkey has a long tail' is an acceptable way of saying that all spider monkeys have long tails. I'm sorry if these answers aren't making things any simpler. It's hard to think of any kind of rule, because there are so many exceptions. Now that I come to think of it, English is pretty messed up. I'm glad I don't have to learn it. >>30 No, I hadn't heard of him. I've tried watching some videos of Japanese comedians before, but they usually speak very fast and it's hard for me to understand.
>>27 Do you just personally favor strict number agreement and accept other answers, or think it is the answer and others are errors? Do you follow the rule every day, in every essay and speech? そもそもこんな文を認める時点で矛盾が発生するでしょ。 Many Japanese tourists carry a camera. 「カメラを携帯する日本人観光客は多い」 Many Japanese tourists carry cameras. 大勢で一台のカメラを携帯するのか 一人で複数のカメラを携帯するのか 結局「常識」で判断している。 Don't you think this agreement rule is flawed in the first place? 多くの人が無視しているならルールの方が間違っているのでは？
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>>35 Oh, I definitely agree that the rule is flawed. Most rules of English grammar are flawed. The best thing is just to read and listen to as much English as you can, so you get a sense for what sounds right and what doesn't. That's how native speakers do it; we don't try and apply grammatical rules. And you are correct, often it comes down to using common sense to figure out what a sentence means. But there are some cases where getting the number agreement wrong does make the sentence incorrect. For example, the sentences in >>4 that said "children to be a beggar" sound completely wrong. I would never use that phrase, and nor would any other native speaker.
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I started using a chair without back support about one month ago. Guess what happened? I lost 1.5 kilos. Maybe that's because I have to straighten up my upper boddy and use ab muscles. Actually I ve felt more hungry since then but I eat the same amount of meals. Hence, losing weight. I recommend this way of shedding kilos (pounds) if you sit at PC almost all day like me.
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I'm already skinny enough. So if I do the same thing, I would die before long.
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>>36 Sorry, I thought you were someone else. I mistook you were a Japanese I know who says 中学校からやり直せ池沼wwwww came here to reinforce what he says, pretending to be an Australian. My apology. And actually, you are the first person that corrected the first English. There are many who say >Yeahhh... I'm pretty sure this is a matter of colloquialism. Some countries/regions might add this s, and some may not. >"Second limbs" "Third limbs" "Fifth limbs" makes no difference, you just don't pluralize it, no matter the plurality of the subject. >Everyone I know would say: >"The classes use the book as their fifth text" >"Our tails are our fifth limb" >etc. are totally fine. >This kind of agreement goes outside of grammar and mixes with connotation.
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the first person "who"
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I'm envious of you because I have such a beer belly as a sumo wrestler's. Oops! Let me put it more elegantly! I've been suffering from so-called " metabolic syndrome." I've gained some 15 kilograms since I stopped smoking 10 years ago. So far,I have struggled to lost weight from time to time, but my effort hasn't bear fruit. Now I have no ways I can escape from this vicious circle.
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Now that Takamisakari announced his retirement, it's your turn to enter Sumo world. Beat up Harumafuji!
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No way! I don't want to be a sumo wrestler. It's so embarrassing for me to wear mawashi and show my hairy butt in public.
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It's better that you quit entering proffessional sumo world. I'm not entering the sumo world because I am 63 nad I have noo-kann stroke which I am praying that stroke will melt and I recover my former condition.
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It's better [ that you quit { entering proffessional sumo world } ]. I'm not entering the sumo world [ because I am 63 and I have noo-kann stroke { for which I am praying ( that the stroke will melt and I will recover my former condition ) } ].
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It's better that you quit entering proffessional sumo world. I'm not entering the sumo world because I am 63 and I have noo-kann stroke for which am praying that the stroke will melt and I will recover my former condition.
I'm not entering the sumo world because I am 63 and I have noo-kann stroke for which I am praying that the stroke will melt and I will recover my former condition.
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>>5 I may like this virtual cesspool, too. In vegetable field, my grandparents used to fertilize the soil with cesspool. Cesspool makes sweet vegetables.
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①Have you ever met an [ involved ] parent [ who wants their child to be a beggar ]? ②Have you ever met [ involved ] parents [ who want their children to be beggars ]? #② generalizes the topic. ① minimizes the matter. We never see a parent [ who forces their children to be beggars ]. What sort of parent do you think would want their children to be beggars? Have you ever met [ involved ] parents [ who want their children to be beggars ]? We never see parents [ who force their children to be beggars ]. [ What sort of parent ] do you think [ would want their child to be a begger ]?
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i'm always thinking, the language is only one of the tool for communication. Thus don't be afraid the mistake of grammar!! The purpose is achieved when transmitted.
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I don't mean to talk back to you, but if you make light of grammar, there is a possibility that you might convey a message you dont actually intend to be.
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and withput language, how do you convey your thought to others?
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「たかが野球、されど野球」 It was from the mouth of Egawa Suguru, who is a former baseball pitcher well-known to most Japanese for his scorching fast ball, that I heard the phrase above for the first time. It is such a meaningful phrase that you can make use of it in various contexts by just replacing the word "野球’ with other terms. 「たかが文法、されど文法」 With my English ability, it is a bit hard for me to translate it into English. So I'm reluctant to give it a try.
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with simple collect sentences you can communicate fully
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I never thought as a teen I'd be jerking off in my 40's. Sh*t
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I've been studying English for a decade but still 4chan English is all Greek to me. I find articles on TIME magazine much easier to read.
>>59 It's the American version of 2 channel. I've heard someone saying on TV that 4 channel will become more popular in the near future. I don't think so. How come 2 channel is so polular ? It's because as a whole, the Japanese are educated people, so that they like expressing something by using letters.
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>>60 4 chan is a American bbs like a '2chan',isn't it?
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>>51-52 解決済みの質問 Does "They have a pen" in English means there is only one pen for them? Or does it means one pen for each of them? 質問者が選んだベストアンサー Yes. They are in possession of exactly one pen. But there might be another pen in existence. If there is no other pen nearby, you say "They have the pen." For multiple pens in their possession you could say "They each have a pen." sellina 6 月 前 A simple sentence has a lot meaning,,~ how funny English is ~ http://www.italki.com/answers/question/77116.htm?hl=ja#.UP6j4WthiK0
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recently they each have a pen is omitted as they have a pen this a is apt to be taken as i don't care even it does not mean one
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recently 'they each have a pen' is omitted as 'they have a pen' this 'a' is apt [ to be taken as { saying } 'I don't care [ even it does not mean one ].
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Recently 'They each have a pen' is omitted as 'They have a pen'. This 'a' is apt [ to be taken as { saying } ] 'I don't care [ even it does not mean one ].
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They have a pen means only "They have a pen." それ以外でも、それ以内でもない。 日本語でも同じでしょ。 とにかく、彼らはペンをもってるんだよ！ 全員がそれぞれペンを１本ずつ持っている事を強調したいなら、その様に 書けば良いし、そんな事どちらでも良いなら、特に強調した書き方をせず、 とにかく彼らがペンを持っているという事実だけを伝えれば良い事になる。 娘が一言私に言った。 "Tomorrow, school." 「明日、学校」 動詞も何もないんだよ。明日学校に行くのだろうと予想されるが、もしかすると 明日は学校が休みだという事を言いたかったのかも知れない。 でもとにかく「明日、学校なんだよ」 行くのか、休みなのか知らんが、そんな事はどうでもよい事で、 伝えたかった事は十分伝わった。 これで良いんでは？？？ 言葉なんてこんなもんだろ
I wonder why many Okinawa citizens oppose the osprey. It looks like so efficiency plane any other one. They always said, “Rate of accident.” But it’s very low than cars accident. Absolutely, many main land of Japanese people don’t say complaint if the osprey have arranged to main land of Japan. I guess, many Okinawa citizens only dislike Japanese government. It looks like China. Therefore, they always say complaint to the government.
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Or some of Okinawa people who are important position are under the control by China. It’s very natural thinking, isn’t it? Their behavior is crazy every now and then. Current their decisions often look like correct.
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Please Okinawa citizens, don’t use a car because it makes many accidents. Cars are very dangerous machines than the ospray planes. Why do they use a car every day? I formally request them to stop use a car. I didn’t understand many people to gather at front of the U.S. base in order to shout the opposition sentence. They really think that it’s okay to be plundered their territory by China, innit?
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内容がRーだな
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So, why Japanese people request North Korea to stop development of long range missile although Japanese want to be helped by U.S.? U.S. won’t become seriousness to attack North Korea if North Korean doesn’t make powerful weapons which the missile to be able to reach for U.S. main land. I always thinking, if Japan wants to be seriousness for U.S. and U.S. attack to North Korea, then we have North Korea made powerful weapons. I think, this is very natural thinking. But no smart Japanese doesn’t understand it my thinking.
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いや日本語でならいくらでも語れますから。 日本には最高の哲学がすでにある。 外人は議論が下手。
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Do you really believe “comfort woman” about Koreas allegedly? Many Japanese also said that there’s nothing so called “comfort woman”. It’s only prostitute. As you know many prostitutes are always anywhere but why there’s no prostitute during WWII? Korean’s allegedly is not natural. Therefore I believe that they called “comfort woman” is the only Korean’s prostitute. It’s not need to give in Korea ‘Cause Japan didn’t lose them at WWII although Japan had been beaten U.S. Korean only want to say complaint to Japan. They said, “Japan’s history ideology is wrong.” But wrong ideology is in Korean side.”
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Is this what you want to say 'I love USA,hate China and Korea'?
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I have a headache
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I think so. Korean are all kichigais. It is not a racism. If Korean don't want to be a kichigai, they should learn the true history between Japan and Korea.
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unko
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Which do you like better, a curry which tastes unko or an unko which takes curry. If you had been eating curry for two weeks after you did 腸内洗浄, I would think that your shit is close to curry.
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All these give me headache.
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Hello everyone. Glad I meet you!! I am くも男. My TOEIC score is 410. hahahaha. I am poor boy and am cherry. I am satisfied with I am cherry.
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War time Jananese soldiers were destined [ to die ]. The Hiroshima atomic bomb and Nagasaki atomic bomb stopped the Millitary crazies from [ going on to { perishing all nation } ]. So give up 'kimi ga yo' and 'furu sato' be made the national anthum.
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Me too.
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I love 君が代. Kimigayo haters are shit.
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tv says the earthquake in hokkaido is terrible but I live in areas in which the effect didn't reach how's ur situation?
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Nothing happened here in Hiroshima. Earthquake? ... Ah gotcha. The news says Hokkaido suffered from it. I didn't know that.
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>>87 what a coincidence I live in Hiroshima as well haha
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hokkaido is big.
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>>88 OMG I didn't expect to see someone who lived in the same prefecture lol
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Hiroshima? What's that? Sounds stinky...
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Greeting from Hokkaido... My cell phone made an eerie beep seconds before the quake. That was an earthquake early warning I have heard for the first time since 9/11. The worst scenorio crossed my mind, but fortunately it looks like nothing to worry about.
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9/11->3/11
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Oh yes... I see everything. There is noting that I don't know... >>91 must lives in Okayama. People in Okayama tend to think it is the largest city in Chugoku Area, and superior to Hiroshima.
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I happened to know here. May I join in?
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Not at all.
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You have the right to state your opinions like "I hate Korean.But it is not racism."